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2007/11/25

The Truth About Depleted Uranium

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@ 06:08 PM (5 months, 18 days ago)

Here's your idols in the military telling you it will make a third eye grow out of your forehead. If you don't want to believe them - look on youtube for another slew of videos or go to google and look at the 1000 articles. Or keep waving a flag and calling for murder, whatever.

 

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  1. ah if it's on youtube it must be true

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/11/25 @ 06:36 PM — (Reply)

  2. What about the total uranium disaster in Russia?

    Comment by Ernie Els— 2007/11/25 @ 06:37 PM — (Reply)

  3. there's a lot of evidence to show that low levels of background radiation are good for you...it's called hormesis

    The UN issued a 600 page report called Chernobyl's Legacy finding that only 50 deaths could be attributed to acute radiation exposure..the NYT reported this in June of 2000, that included 30 people who were killed inside the plant

    Supposed high thyroid levels were found to be unrelated to the accident as that part of the region is iodine deficient anyway

    by 2001 the radiation level in Chernobyl is less than in someone's back yard in Denver Colorado

    the animals that were left there are said to be thriving

    a well known toxicologist Cham Dallas from the Univ. of Georgia visited the area many times and studied mice living close to the dead reactor and they seem to be unscathed

    the presence of uranium in Colorado is twice the natural radiation and it's greater altitude means less protection from the suns cosmic rays so you'd think there'd be higher levels of radiation caused cancers etc.? right?

    They're actually 2/3 of the national average.

    I recommend "The Myth of Plutonium Toxicity" by Bernard L. Cohen

    and a visit to http://cnts.wpi.edu/rsh....a website dedicated to an objective investigation of low level radiation

    the linear threshold model is being revised

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/11/25 @ 08:32 PM — (Reply)

  4. the website has moved

    http://www.radscihealth.org/rsh/

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/11/25 @ 08:40 PM — (Reply)

  5. The old attack the source routine. Basically everything on the entire internet except your one source backs me up. And I've even showed you an article that disputes that one source.
    It's not just Iraq either. That crap blows around real easily. And its not just their people - you'll see more about it when our soldiers start having babies.

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/25 @ 08:51 PM — (Reply)

  6. I can attack a source, too. Bernhard Cohen. I wonder if he backs Israel. Your sources are a little biased and probably loves seeing Arabs radiated.

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/25 @ 08:55 PM — (Reply)

  7. Dugg....you have not addressed a single FACT that EB set forth.

    Comment by Barry G.— 2007/11/25 @ 09:16 PM — (Reply)

  8. Barry, it's refuted by everyone on the net and I've left you links to prove it.

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/26 @ 01:20 AM — (Reply)

  9. EB...c'mon....it realy makes u sleep better at night...do you bealive everything they say it's healthy...then u bealive that aspartame, flourid and vaxine are healhy too. c'mon Elmer..honstly.do you want our children toxic, poisoned and full of radiatiob...i agree with dugg..WAKE UP WORLD..u r actin like sheople...we donn't care bout the UN..UN is here for making peace in the worls, but sincetheUN wasw born there is more hunger and nonstop warfare over the world...so i don't care what the killers UN got to sy about radiation...it isn't good ffor you...they just want to see you dead!!

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/11/26 @ 12:49 AM — (Reply)

  10. " Barry, it's refuted by everyone on the net and I've left you links to prove it. "

    Dugg, you pasted in one video that is far from conclusive and the links I googled certainly don't indicate that agreement with your theory "is all over the net".



    Comment by Barry G.— 2007/11/26 @ 06:49 AM — (Reply)

  11. Tommorow they'll tell us that mercury is heaalthy and good for you and you'll bealive them cuz they "research" it.!....OOOHH....Waiit aminute, that's going on now alredy (vaxination)...

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/11/26 @ 07:55 AM — (Reply)

  12. I could give you plenty of links...but then it wouldn't matter would it.

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/11/26 @ 08:12 AM — (Reply)

  13. plenty of links sponsored by the military committing the crimes. Gee how convincing.

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/26 @ 11:15 AM — (Reply)

  14. Besides I actually have experience with DU...

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/11/26 @ 08:13 AM — (Reply)

  15. Is that what happened?

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/26 @ 11:15 AM — (Reply)

  16. what does Bernard Cohen's possibly being a jew have to do with anything?

    I've had babies after exposure to DU

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/11/26 @ 08:15 AM — (Reply)

  17. Nothing. But it would be like me saying some guy named Abdul was saying it was bad for you - that would really convince you.

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/26 @ 11:03 AM — (Reply)

  18. besides the info I gave you with regard to Bernard Cohen has less to do with DU and more to do with radiation in general

    BTW ever had an X-ray?

    90 mrem of beta/gamma radiation per x-ray...what do you think it is for DU?

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/11/26 @ 08:17 AM — (Reply)

  19. BTW - every had 400 Xrays in a row? You're being very misleading. You should be so ashamed.

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/26 @ 11:05 AM — (Reply)

  20. try here

    Depleted uranium is a heavy metal that is also slightly radioactive.

    A common misconception is that radiation is depleted uranium's primary hazard. This is not the case under most battlefield exposure scenarios. Depleted uranium is approximately 40 percent less radioactive than natural uranium. Depleted uranium emits alpha and beta particles, and gamma rays. Alpha particles, the primary radiation type produced by depleted uranium, are blocked by skin, while beta particles are blocked by the boots and battle dress utility uniform (BDUs) typically worn by Service members. While gamma rays are a form of highly-penetrating energy , the amount of gamma radiation emitted by depleted uranium is very low. Thus, depleted uranium does not significantly add to the background radiation that we encounter every day.


    are you going to stop flying on an airplane now?

    The UNEP report shows in particular that the risks to KFOR personnel of exposure to Depleted Uranium are negligible, and neither is there evidence of any harm to the civilian population. NATO has consistently stated that DU could only be a hazard under very specific, very limited circumstances, and this report emphasises how unlikely it is that our personnel, and the local population, will have been exposed to sufficient DU to suffer ill-effects.

    THE MAIN ARGUMENT for continued use of depleted uranium in military hardware, civilian aircraft and many other industrial products is the fact that the DU is about 40 per cent less radioactive than the naturally-occurring uranium. Depleted uranium is also cheap and readily available. Furthermore, DU emits predominantly alpha radiation, which is quickly absorbed. How true are these claims? Fortunately, they are quite accurate. Available statistics shows that in the top 20 cm of soil collected from an area of 1 sq. km one may expect to find on the average of 1,000 kg of natural uranium, which is more radioactive than the depleted uranium. The depleted uranium emits low-level alpha radiation that is in fact quickly absorbed by the air. Furthermore, radioactive background created by depleted uranium falls far short from naturally-occurring radiation background in some places in Iran and Brazil, where we are not aware of people suffering from any illnesses caused by this high natural radioactive background.

    The risk from external exposure is essentially zero, even when pure metal is handled. No detectable increases of cancer, leukaemia, birth defects or other negative health effects have ever been observed from radiation exposure to inhaled or ingested natural uranium concentrates, at levels far exceeding those likely in areas where DU munitions have been used. This is mainly because the low radioactivity per unit mass of uranium means that the mass needed for significant internal exposure would be virtually impossible to accumulate in the body – and DU is less than half as radioactive as natural uranium.

    This position is well summarised in the concluding paragraph of a commentary by N D Priest on the "Toxicity of depleted uranium", published in The Lancet, Vol 357, January 27, 2001, which reads:

    "It can be safely concluded that, at any conceivable level of uptake, depleted uranium will have no appreciable radiological or chemical carcinogenic potential. Moreover even if cancers were to be produced they would occur many years after intake, because the lag period between damage to the sensitive cells and the appearance of recognisable tumours. In man, for chronic irradiation from internally deposited alpha-emitting radionuclide, these latency periods would typically lie in the range of 10 years to several decades. In view of this latency, tumours in individuals exposed to depleted uranium for shorter periods - e.g. servicemen exposed to depleted uranium in the former Yugoslavia within the past decade - cannot be attributed to radiation from depleted uranium. Finally the only chemical toxic effect expected would be reversible damage to the kidney."




    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/11/26 @ 08:41 AM — (Reply)

  21. What kind of a GOD makes you protect weapons of mass destruction...good has truely become bad...men of GOD defending poisons and mass murders...who cares if it radiate in my book...it's primal objective is to kill and that's bad enough.......ouor moto ;

    RADIATON TO DESTRY GOD?S CREATION! and good money for the rockefellers

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/11/26 @ 08:51 AM — (Reply)

  22. The same GOD that tells me I must keep you away from them ! That you and your kind CANT BE TRUSTED WITH THEM SO YOU ARENT ALLOWED TO HAVE THEM !!!!!!!!

    Comment by aza spade— 2007/11/26 @ 09:59 AM — (Reply)

  23. ..like your gov. knows how to handle thweem (my kind)..they fry children with them...kill women..civilianx...radiation....well hail bush and rockefellers

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/11/26 @ 11:45 AM — (Reply)

  24. If these weapons were being used against us on a battlefield Elmer would be screaming louder than anyone that the enemy was using WMD and comitting war crimes.

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/26 @ 11:07 AM — (Reply)

  25. no I wouldn't Dugg....I bet you think white phosphorous is a chemical weapon huh?

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/11/26 @ 04:01 PM — (Reply)

  26. u wouldn't..obvius...your GOD is a man o wa,...it is in the bible...i don't care if God is a Killer..I still refuse to be

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/11/27 @ 05:27 AM — (Reply)

  27. *Man of War

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/11/27 @ 08:33 AM — (Reply)

  28. He has already won the most important WAR in your life, Your SALVATION is PAID FOR ...ALL you have to do is ACCEPT IT ! NO MORE BATTLE FOR YOUR SOUL.

    Comment by aza spade— 2007/11/27 @ 09:31 AM — (Reply)

  29. I guess they'r not human enough to care? Little babies? Thousands and thousands of them - how do you expain that away? The tooth fairy?

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/26 @ 11:08 AM — (Reply)


  30. Here's 1,850,000 links for DU War Crime in IRAQ

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/26 @ 11:11 AM — (Reply)

  31. You got 2 sources - one of them was proven a lie.
    1,850,000 to 1.

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/26 @ 11:13 AM — (Reply)

  32. which one was proven a lie? the one from the WHO? and who proved it was a lie?

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/11/26 @ 04:02 PM — (Reply)


  33. Don't Worry! It's good for you!!!

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/26 @ 11:22 AM — (Reply)

  34. They should start putting DU in Flintstones vitamins - after all, a little is good for you, right, Elmer?

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/26 @ 11:24 AM — (Reply)

  35. if only you knew anything at all besides what you've read on these kooky websites...

    that's just it Dugg you absorb this stuff into your body everyday and your body takes care of it

    it occurs naturally and that naturally occurring uranium is 40 TIMES more radioactive than DU

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/11/26 @ 04:05 PM — (Reply)

  36. Kook websites? It's every website, Elmer.

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/26 @ 04:08 PM — (Reply)

  37. The average U.S. adult faces a 7 percent lifetime risk of death from lung cancer. That number might climb to 8.5 percent in a person who breathed a heavy dose of uranium dust. A child could play inside a vehicle destroyed by a depleted-uranium munition for 300 hours and outside it for another 700 hours and face an increased risk of only one death in 1,000 people from colon and lung cancers combined.

    better watch out for that bird guano too...it's radioactive as well

    it's just like when they banned DDT...it was a political decision not a scientific one and look at how many people have had to suffer and die from malaria

    DDT was banned despite clear evidence that it did not pose a significant cancer risk

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/11/26 @ 04:42 PM — (Reply)

  38. ..dugg....the bible warn us that we wont be hearth...they bealive mass murderers ..and ignore the people that are exposing the beast...i'm used to it...u'll get used to it to...but u's real soldier in my book,,,..keeep on fighting them tiger

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/11/26 @ 11:47 AM — (Reply)

  39. Anybody with 1/2 of a descency bone in thier own body knows that,"If you live by the gun, Your gonna die by the gun". Meaning if you are a nasty lil sum of da batch,Then your gonna go down like a dog with rabies ! If I am to live in a "OPEN" society which stomachs the sewage which is allowed to fester on our open streets of todays world then I naturally revert back to the trained soldier I once was when employed by uncle Sugar ! Its The soldier which above all else prays for peace ! Because it means being able to live one more day to be with family and friends. Work, Play, Live ! NOT DIE in WAR ! But then along come these asshole who want to kill me or my countrymen and a small gathering of friends or countrymen want to believe that its the USA's own fault that another wants the US converted to muslim or die ! WAIT..I just IDENTIFIED A REAL THREAT ! but some want to say this is a lie ????

    Comment by aza spade— 2007/11/26 @ 02:58 PM — (Reply)

  40. nd talking bout my kind AZA...YPOR KIND IS ACTUALY ONE WE SHOULD FEAR...U'R IGNORING THE ISSUES AND BUYING THEIR OFFICIAL STORIES, U DECLARE EVERY OPENED MIND RESEARCHER LIKE MY SELF AS AN IDIOT, U GAVE THEM POWER ND U'R SUPPORTING THEM...SO U ARE GUILTY ASWELL, CUTZ YOU ARE LETTING THEM RULE...NOT DUGG, YOU AZA..YOU AND YOUR NAIVE KIND

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/11/27 @ 06:50 AM — (Reply)

  41. You know I have never called you an IDIOT.....I've carried on conversation with you when others would not !

    Comment by aza spade— 2007/11/27 @ 09:34 AM — (Reply)

  42. AZA sosy....i didn't mean You as an individual..I ment You People

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/11/27 @ 03:11 PM — (Reply)

  43. Fear my kind ???? Dont think so , My kind is the ones that have come to your rescue when you were too weak to defend yourselves, My kind are the ones you have proped up your way of life with AMERICAN DOLLARS when you had NONE, NO DOLLARS OF ANYKIND, BUT I NOW SUSPECT YOUR KIND WOULD HAVE accepted Duetsch Marks or Russian Rupies, or any other who your kind would have accepted and spent the next century bitching and belly aching over how things turned out after your countries submission to communism or Muslim'ism.. You NEED to learn who you are and how you came to be in the situation you are now. Good or bad , it could be a lot worse, Be thankful for what you have for it too cn be taken away

    Comment by aza spade— 2007/11/27 @ 10:01 AM — (Reply)

  44. Yes..they ofter it al;

    problem + reactin + solution

    go lil' deeper and ask yourself why it is so as u described it. You may se that EVERYTHING in your REAL world is orcestrated!!!

    Smell the coffee, as you would say it, ma friend.

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/11/27 @ 03:18 PM — (Reply)

  45. one of those sources belonged to the military...I only chose 5 out of all of the one I had to choose from

    the other one belonged to universities and the UN

    Why should I be ashamed of using logic, reason and my own personal experience?

    How many raioactive isotopes have you worked with Dugg? and for how long?

    I use an x-ray as an example so that you could understand the scale...something for which you have no clue

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/11/26 @ 04:00 PM — (Reply)

  46. HEY ELMER the expert - WHY ARE ALL THESE THOUSANDS OF KIDS IN IRAQ DEFORMED? THEY NEVER WERE BEFORE, WHY NOW THAT DU IS BEING USED???? WHY? WHY? WHY? YOU HAVE NO ANSWER!

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/26 @ 04:13 PM — (Reply)

  47. dugg DU has been used for over 40 years the connection to these birth defects and DU is inconclusive and dubious

    perhaps it was Saddam...he actually used chemical weapons on his people

    I'm not claiming to be an expert but at least I have some occupational experience

    you have?????

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/11/26 @ 04:24 PM — (Reply)

  48. don't boter..he'll find a way to protect the beast

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/11/27 @ 02:46 AM — (Reply)

  49. hey dugg I'm sorry people are suffering I don't like it..but it doesn't mean it was caused by DU

    I was a qualified Radiation Worker in the Navy...when submarines came into port we took over the radiological controls for the reactor

    I troubleshot, maintained and repaired radiation detection and indicating devices

    We used DU to protect us from the radiation...as a shield.

    It's used in airplanes and other equipment. Are you going to stop flying?

    Due to its high density the main uses of depleted uranium include counterweights in aircraft, radiation shields in medical radiation therapy machines and containers for the transport of radioactive materials. The military uses depleted uranium for defensive armor plate and its pyrophoricity has made it a valued component in other military applications, particularly in the form of armour-piercing projectiles.

    The director of the IAEA Seibersdorf Laboratory, Pier Roberto Danesi stated in 2002 that "There is a consensus now that DU does not represent a health threat". Former NATO Secretary General Lord Robertson has stated that "the existing medical consensus is clear. The hazard from depleted uranium is both very limited, and limited to very specific circumstances" A 1999 study conducted by the Rand Corporation stated: “No evidence is documented in the literature of cancer or any other negative health effect related to the radiation received from exposure to depleted or natural uranium, whether inhaled or ingested, even at very high doses”, and another RAND report considered the debate to be more political than scientific.

    Of course the Illuminati is paying me to say all this (end sarcasm)

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/11/26 @ 04:22 PM — (Reply)

  50. Do you now more about it than Brent Scowcroft? Look below - contains plutonium - the deadliest substance known to man...

    "Depleted uranium is more of a problem than we thought when it was developed. But it was developed according to standards and was thought through very carefully. It turned out, perhaps, to be wrong."
    -- Brent Scowcroft, National Security Advisor to President George Bush in 1991 Gulf War .


    According to a video titled "Using Depleted Uranium as a Weapon...Putting Our Troops and the Rest of the World at Risk", the US government began to experiment with Uranium-238, which is simply Uranium (http://www.ccnr.org/uranium_deadliest.html) waste, secretly as early as the 1970's before implementing it in the Gulf.


    Depleted Uranium (DU) is a dense, radioactive metal used for armor-piercing shells. Some DU munitions have been found to contain traces of Plutonium, which is the most toxic substance we know of. Its half-life is approximately 4.5 billion years, meaning that in that amount of time half of it will have broken down. DU is ingested when soldiers or civilians come into contact with it.

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/26 @ 04:38 PM — (Reply)

  51. Oh wait - I used a quote by Bush's own advisor - I'm gonna get accused of using "kooky" websites again.

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/26 @ 04:39 PM — (Reply)

  52. I might. What are his qualifications?

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/11/26 @ 04:43 PM — (Reply)

  53. How many studies has he performed? Who were his test subjects? How much exposure did they have? Has he ever personally worked with radioactive isotopes? Been a qualified radiation worker? Does he know the maximum allowable exposure limits? How many x-rays has he had?

    Did they allow conjugal visits during the testing?

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/11/26 @ 04:46 PM — (Reply)

  54. The people behind it admit it - but you go on believing your programming.

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/26 @ 04:41 PM — (Reply)

  55. ..yes he does...we can expose the beast.but nobody will listen to us....untill is too late...but then it will be too late

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/11/27 @ 02:47 AM — (Reply)

  56. This stuff is making my head spin.

    Comment by Ed— 2007/11/26 @ 06:04 PM — (Reply)

  57. During the first Gulf War in 1991, weapons containing depleted Uranium were used for the first time in combat. Depleted Uranium (http://web.ead.anl.gov/uranium/faq/index.cfm) was desired because it can penetrate any material known to man. Although it may seem a desirable weapon, the environmental consequences and the effects on humans were not revealed and are still highly denied by the U.S. government.

    Symptoms of being affected by DU include achy joints, falling ill, developing rashes and memory loss. According to Paul Sullivan, President of the National Gulf War Resource Center, the residue from DU weapons settles in the bone, the lungs, kidneys and testicles. The most infamous example of the effects of DU is that it can be passed from the mother to the child and often causes abnormalities and other birth defects.

    In the Basra General Hospital in Southern Iraq (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html) according to Dr. Anuar Abdul Mehsen, MD., the number of cancer cases he has seen in his hospital has increased significantly since the end of the Gulf War. In 1988 he saw 34 deaths caused by various types of cancer, and in 1988 there were 428 deaths caused by cancer. He adds that there is an average of 1-2 deformed babies born per day.
    From 1991 to 2003, U.S. and British jets patrolled the No-Fly-Zones in Northern and Southern Iraq, often bombing Iraqi anti-aircraft sites that threatened them. These air strikes also involved DU munitions.

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/26 @ 06:25 PM — (Reply)

  58. Just for the record Elmer - I don't hate you - I respect your opinions - and I know you are a good guy - I just disagree totally. Sorry if I'm occasionally off the hook. The shit pisses me off.

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/26 @ 11:05 PM — (Reply)

  59. I respect all of u too..yes ed even u, but especialy elmer...but if u'l realise it too late..it will be too late then....i don't know how they can buy in every ifficial theory without exceptions and they ignore every independent resarcher if he doesn't agree with officials..regardless to evidence cand facts...let the bombs drop....how could you think you follow God and preach about God when you defending mass murderers and worst weapons ever developed.......it makes me very said andit makes me even cry

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/11/27 @ 02:51 AM — (Reply)

  60. can buy in every ifficial theory without exceptions and they ignore every independent resarcher if he doesn't agree with officials -

    I've asked them that before and never get an answer. You're trusting the wrong people, guys. They've been caught lying a thousand times - why keep believing them?


    Thanks Damjan.

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/27 @ 10:36 AM — (Reply)

  61. Its very easy to defend war and devilish weapons, and to ignore radiation...when those bombs are exploding tousands miles away from you..like dugg said...you wouldn't do that if they were droping next door to you..u cannot say u would defend it still, because there is no war in your country. It's easy to talk about WARS and weapons when you live in the city of peace....those children in Iraq cannot speculate about radiotion and satan's seeds that your army is droping there...THEY KNOW THAT DUGG IS FOR REAL...what would you do EB if your child would be born like that...would u still defend the creations of the devil...I don't think so my BROTHER!

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/11/27 @ 05:48 AM — (Reply)

  62. AND thats a good arguement in favor of AMERICAN ISOLATIONISM, The rest of the world would collapse if AMERICANS pulled out our support and stopped payment on ALL the checks we write for the ungratefull people of the world. BUT THEN THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO ME ANYWAY....RON PAUL ARE YOU LISTENING ??????

    Comment by aza spade— 2007/11/27 @ 10:04 AM — (Reply)

  63. The rest of the world isn't our problem or business. And out current policy of interfering with everyone simply hasn't worked.

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/27 @ 10:32 AM — (Reply)

  64. I have been watching the back and forth on this topic and found some very interesting research studies HERE.

    Comment by Ernie Els— 2007/11/27 @ 06:02 PM — (Reply)

  65. WTF Ernie?

    Comment by Dugg— 2007/11/27 @ 09:19 PM — (Reply)

  66. Yeah Ernie, this Ed certainly doesn't appear to be a rocket scientist. What's the deal dude?

    Comment by Barry G.— 2007/11/27 @ 09:44 PM — (Reply)

  67. Are you referring to that jackass damnjan as a "gang"?

    Comment by Ernie Els— 2007/11/27 @ 10:08 PM — (Reply)

  68. ..thank you ernie...i love you too...why don't you take your club and golf away...i would be worried in your place...NWO means end of golfing for good.

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/11/29 @ 02:11 AM — (Reply)

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